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Shawn, most people don't have the
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although they think they have. You can
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for so much money, he's out to repair your roof

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or it might leak, depending

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his competence. So we don't have

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chance takers so to speak

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we don't take chances, we have
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competence. That means the ability

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to deal with the problems your assigned.

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But its not technical elitism

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its not technical elitism

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Jacque: No its not technical elitism

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They're assigned duties if you come into the

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Venus Project, they say, "What is your training?"

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say interior design, that means designing a house

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with the easy access with safety devices

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thats what you'd be doing, designing a house

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so there's no fires no short circuits

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and the kids can't stick a screwdriver in an electrical circuit

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if they did nothing would happen. In other words,

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you would be into what children are apt
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without sufficient training. So you
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happening

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you don't try to treat it after it happens.
Today we make laws

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after a man kills somebody, we make a law

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Thou shalt not kill. We don't do it before

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Shawn: Right, we are reactive instead of proactive.

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Yes, exactly. Is it perfect? No,

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just a lot better than the present-day system

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and as time goes on it'll become shorter

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better and and improve communication

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in each discipline, there is no ideal

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discipline as you can train a person in. say, "That's it!"

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forever. It isn't, it undergoes

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change as innovation comes in.

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Alright, and, move on to the next question. This one is:

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what are the conditions required to
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to prove or refute

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whether whether the theory works or not?

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The first city would take students that have studied The Venus Project

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That have been trained in how to
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in relation to accomplishing a given
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and if they are trained appropriately, they do the task appropriately

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if they're not, they don't even get to
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the first city itself... is to test the
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of The Venus Project's proposals. We also
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a large research center to develop

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the next city, more efficiently.

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test out some more construction techniques, more manufacturing techniques more

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or who to call if you don't know the
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and I imagine the place having a massive amount of tours

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and showing people in and out of the city maybe even

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staying for a period of time to take
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When you get a subway train today its
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a conductor but they're being done
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machines are taking the place the train
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especially on airports today, there's nobody

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that operates the transportation system, it's automated.

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But before the train stops, it tells you

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at Station 2d we have music

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restaurants, etc. Your informed

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before you get out of the train or the
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And I never see anybody protesting that. I never see people protesting stoplights, or stop signs.

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These are all things that existed
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they can make recommendations, and it
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And they can respond with a person
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They ask further questions. Right And you want to eventually eliminate

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stop signs and the stop lights, and just have transportation that's efficient.

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There's nobody accusing

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the local board of people that, of engineers that put up the plumbing throughout the city

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or the electrical systems, of technological elitism.

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Nobody's accusing them of that. It's simply taking care of

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the necessities of life for humans

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and even doing it on a much larger scale. And naturally, if a competent person is ill,

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he is replaced by another competent person.

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We don't have a problem then,

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if there's lots of technicians lined up for each job

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and most people no need to work

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they can go to centers where they learn

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how to write, or they learn how to communicate better

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or they teach communication, or take up any course

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that you feel, not so much that you feel,

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that the nation feels is needed.

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Not the nation, the globe. Yes. The world right?

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No nations, the global

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interpretation is what we use. OK

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What is needed globally.

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And your trained in that area.

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If you come up with a new field, we train
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right away, because you can't rely on

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the others, everybody is updated

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on what to expect.

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That would be one of the interesting values in a Resource Based Economy is to know that

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when you go through this education, when you do this work

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when you do this contribution, your contributing to global society.

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Which is...And you know where to go, to find the answers

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you don't get into conflict with people

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There's no debates, there's dialogue. You know the difference?

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You talk with a person, they talk back. Debate is out to win.

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We're not out to win. We're out to accomplish

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a given task with a minimum expenditure of energy

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and temperament. And that is the reinforcement

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because your standard living goes up
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and that you know that you're participating in that.

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That's the reinforcement. And even with all that, you might only have to contribute

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a couple hours a week, if any at all. Because less than ten percent of

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the world population, maybe closer to six-percent

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would ever need to work to sustain such a system.

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That's the estimates, I don't know how it will work out.

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Even if machines do all the work man is still

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going to do creative work. He's going to

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look at things, make a recommendations

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but there'd be people that are specialized in how to make

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recommendation. Gotcha.

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I have a weird question here, maybe it's not a weird question. I'll go ahead and ask it

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It's been asked before. What will happen
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the deceased in a Resource Based Economy?

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I would have to leave that up to the Resourced Based Economy.

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Those people that are trained

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in the new social development, leave their bodies to science.

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But they wouldn't be embalmed

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and put in the ground because even today
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fluid that's going in the drinking water of every city

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because of that, those practices.

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And yeah, the purpose of embalming fluid is to allow their skin to remain

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for the viewing, which is also another discussion alltogether

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whether that's relevant or not

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Like you said, it's polluting the
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polluting our food, polluting our drinking water and just

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so we can preserve the body for a couple of days

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for funeral procession. All the laws will be changed

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so they become functional. But you know all those are really old

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rituals. To look at the dead, and preserve them

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old myths about. I wouldn't say

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that the majority can make the switch right away.

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Those that can't make the switch, they will be taken care of

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and we'll keep things as they know them

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until they have watched enough TV's and radio shows

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in the future, to know the difference.

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Taken care in the sense of... You can't shove people into the future

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you can expose them to it. Those that wish to live in the new cities, will.

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I think it will become obvious over time.

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Over time, not by military means

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torture or imprisonment. There will be no prisons,

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no police. Since people have access

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to the necessities of life, they do not steal.

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Keep what works, shed what does not.

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Let the things that don't work, the inneficient

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things fall off to the wayside. Over time.

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I try to tell people, when we talk about this to the public.

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There's no need to stop or prevent

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or remove anything you don't have to use these words

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we will just start working on relevant things, and irrelevant things will fade away.

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They don't use the old telephone anymore

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There may be 150 people in an airliner

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only two operate the airliner. The navigater

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and the pilot. 150 people do not

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participate in the operation of that airliner.

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So when you say, "What will people do?"

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But they don't have to do anything. That's not to say that they can't participate. Of course they can.

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in an emergency. In an emergency

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if the pilot has, say a heart attack

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the plane takes over. Otherwise we have two pilots.

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we will use redundancy.

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they really restricted in terms of what
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Many people don't even know what they
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given an opportunity even think about
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They're told or directed into certain areas of their life.

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Oh my god. So what you're saying, in this culture, you don't even dare to dream cause of pain.

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That's right, they say you live in quiet desperation even when
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out of that to do something that makes a
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the new television systems of the profession

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their studying. In other words, their professions

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that they study will be what's needed at the time.

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You don't become a plumber in the future,

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when plumbing becomes automated.

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So you can't pick your field. (today) The fields that are available are listed

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and you can pick from that list, which are hundreds of different things to do.

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but that's up to you. If you find that working on human factors

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being of interest to you, you can look up

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anything you want to and pick whatever is

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needed, we don't train people in professions that are not needed.

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Like sales people. You can get specifications

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of a product. The durability

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whatever you want to know is available, but you don't need a salesman.

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How much mental capacity on Earth today is
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or never even come into fruition because of no education or... for many reasons

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Well if you took a person from this culture

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and put them in the future, they'd say,

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"I don't understand this, I don't understand it at all!" And that's true.

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Like I say, if you took your grandmother to Miami Beach

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and she saw the girls walking around in bikinis, she might say, "They've gone to far!"

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Because of her background.

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But you understand it's her background, not that she's stupid.

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Her background. Now most of those backgrounds will be eliminated

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in the future by education out of it.

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And that's what the trends show already, the trends are already showing these things.

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If you can't make the adjustment, other nations

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will pass you by. But they are still teaching

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so many professions that are... obsolete...

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pushing money around sales people insurance people advertising

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bankers lawyers so many things that
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they just take advantage one another

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they don't really contribute very much, they're
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I just had visual when I was in the
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we use to have to sweep dust in the parking lots all the time

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just ridiculous, one of our things. All I was doing was pushing dirt from one place to another.

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The Earth is covered in dirt, so what am I doing?

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So I liken that to... sorry Jacque

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I liken that to the money people, they are just pushing it in different areas.

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Shawn, instead of a Pentagon, you have

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a lot of people trained in bridging the
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the Pentagon would serve as an
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as an intermediate organization

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to bridge the different between cultures.

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There's hundreds of thousands, if not millions of soldiers on the planet,

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if they were retrained into being scientists, engineers, mathemeticians

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all these things, medical people, a how
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would all of our standards of living be higher, just by that alone?

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You get people who get their kicks out of

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helping one another in learning things
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Instead of getting their kicks out of beating somebody. Oh I thought...

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Shawn, do you feel there is any question I didn't answer?

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No no, I was just trying to
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and trying to get you to respond to their questions.

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I think they value that a lot from you, and it is nice of you to do that

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and to come on the show obviously. Anything else?

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I have one more thing it's probably more

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for Joel and Roxanne and it has to do with their documentary

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updates on that and how's it going? You guys raised the money

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for it... "What documentary?"

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Joel's entire life right now right?

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All day every day working on that thing, also you right?

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On top of all The Venus Project management and that type of stuff. Well we both do all that management, we split that job too

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because it is just too much for two people. Well you often have like ten jobs at the same time, it's really, it's amazing.

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But the documentary is coming along well

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We're getting a lot of people

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We're getting interviews from people and Joel has been running around the country...

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And this wasn't something that we put in, that we had in the original

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plans but because we did reach those... a degree of the stretch goals

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we decided to do it, and spend the money on getting these interviews.

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And they are very, we think they will enrich the whole... film.

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The interviews are something we thought of

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afterwards, we did reach

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that goal. So Joel has been running
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interviews and we are really having them describe the conditions of

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society today. And then reinforcing

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a lot of the clips he already has within the film.

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We think it will... Yes one person is an

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environmental specialist in how we can transition over to

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how it's totally possible and he explains and gives hard data

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of how you can convert the whole United States in 20 years

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to renewable resources, no fossil fuel burning.

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Most people don't even know what the problems are today

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They don't even know what question to ask.

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But in the future they will, they'll be shown how our system works.

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Children will be taken on tours to every industry

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so they see how things are made and they
understand where it comes from.

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And they understand different production
methods.

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They understand the meaning of automation.

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They don't argue about what will people do.

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I imagine how people go about, what do I want to do with my life.

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And they have their heroes, they have their sports
heroes their super heroes, their comic book heroes

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Their father or mother wants to push them into a certain direction.

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So the decision they make with their life, their future and their profession

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is based on environment.

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And in the future I imagine a
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who at least has access to information says, "I wanna become an astronaut."

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and the computer displays the
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of becoming an astronaut, and that child has much more information almost immediately

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then our current people today have over a 20-year period.

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So I think that's going to be an awesome advantage in the future too.

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And they probably wouldn't be aspiring to just one thing.

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Because being an astronaut means learning about many different things.

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Right, and it can branch off very easily into many other aspects. Because that's a pretty broad field also.

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When they say, "What will motivate people, if they have access to things?"

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Just say the end of war, poverty,
starvation in the world.

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Arguments between husband-and-wife, all that will disappear.

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Fist fights will disappear. The common
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conditioned to want to watch, prize fights, will
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Because it harms the brain people not
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Fresco doesn't like fights.

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There's really nothing, at no time will we reach a plateau where there's

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no other inquiry. Things will always be
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It's like when you get T.V.

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then people start thinking of 3-dimensional T.V.

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Or when you get cameras or computers that are faster, then they get

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faster and smaller and more efficient and don't heat up.

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We haven't even finished exploring Earth yet.

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We're far from that, we haven't been to the depths of the ocean, we haven't really

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explored all aspects of Earth.

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And that's not even including later on after, much in the future when we are dealing with space

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That's nearly limitless exploration and endeavors.

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And if they ask more questions you can write them down.

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Remember, The Venus Project is a very different system.

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That's why you can't use comparisons with
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That's all the referent that people have at this point though. Of course.

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That's why we stress education, it gives a person more tools,

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more capabilities to understand more things. That's why semantics doesn't mean anything

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in a monetary system because it doesn't
change the system

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You can't exceed the system with language.

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You can only exceed the system with events.

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Recommended procedures that are better.

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You can't exceed the system by telling people to be good,

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be kind be considerate. You have to take away the conditions

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that makes it necessary for you to be kind.

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And to be kind, you design highways that aren't slippery

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where no accidents, or less accidents occur.

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In the future, everybody becomes an
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A CREATOR.

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